Clues: In search of the ancestors of Jeremiah Cloud
Jeremiah Cloud, Sr.
Hempstead Courier (Texas)
April 6, 1861
Died, On Caney creek in this county, on the 14th ult., MR. JEREMIAH CLOUD, Sr., In the 77th year of his age.
Mr. C. was born in Twiggs Co., Georgia, in 1784; emigrated to Montgomery Co. Alabama in 1816, when he removed to this State, in which he lived up to the time of his death, sharing her joys and sorrows.
He leaves behind him what the best of us aspire to, an unsullied reputation; besides a numerous family, consisting of his first and only wife, who was the partner of his days for sixty years, six children, thirty four grandchildren, and twenty-six great grandchildren; all of whom must be often reminded of his absence, and feel the want of his experienced counsel.
|Vol. M, pp 342-356
Estates of J.W. McDade and Jeremiah Cloud; DEC 1868
|1729||Carolina was divided into North and South Carolina.|
|1732||Colony of Georgia founded|
|1733||Colony of Georgia founded|
|1776||Georgia offered land via Headright & Bounty Land Grants.|
|1776||Georgia Land offered via Headright & Bounty Land Grants|
|1777||Wilkes County Georgia formed (one of 11 original counties)|
|1778||Savannah occupied by British, December 1778|
|1782||British expelled from Savannah in July 1782|
|1782-83||First North Georgia Land Cession: land to the south and west of the Tugaloo and Savannah Rivers ceded by the Cherokee and Creek -- see Georgia Indian Land Cessions map|
|1784||Twiggs Cty, GA||birth of Jeremiah Cloud||obit|
|1795||the old 96th District in SC was divided into 5 counties, among them Edgefield and Spartanburg.|
|1801||marriage 16 yrs old||obit|
|1801||1st child (William)||probate, AL census|
|1803||Wilkinson County GA formed from Creek cession|
|1809||Twiggs County GA formed from Wilkinson County|
|1811||Walton County GA "lost" to North Carolina, January 1811|
|1812||GA||last child b. GA (Jno).||1860 TX census|
|1812||SC||moved to SC ???||Youngblood book|
|1813-1814||AL||1813-1814 -- Creek Indian War
Victory at Horseshoe Bend over the Creeks March 1816 opens Alabama land.
|1815||AL||Alabama roads begin.|
|1816||AL||moved to AL.||obit|
|1820||AL||1st child b. AL (A.J.)||1860 AL census|
|1825||AL||son William m. Margaret FRIZZLE||AL marriage recs.|
|1825||? AL||dau Mary m. Joseph COBB|
|1828||AL||son HGW m. Mary McDADE||AL recs, Youngblood book|
|? ?||? AL||son James m. Jennie McDADE|
|1829||AL||last child b. AL (F.M.)||1850/1860 TX census|
|1830||AL||1830 census||1830 AL census|
|1836||AL||son John m. Polly GRIFFIN||AL m. recs.|
|1837||AL||Judgement in Alabama Supreme Court
Bank of Alabama vs. McDade, Lucas & Faison
|1837||TX||Jeremiah arrives in Texas before Oct. 1837 and secures 2nd class headright land grant.||2nd class land grant|
|1838||TX||son Alex m. Nancy WOOD|
|1839||AL||son HGW m. Mary BATEMAN||AL m. recs.|
|1846||AL||g-dau Elzena (Wm) m. John SESSIONS||AL m. recs.|
|1849||AL||grandson Wm. J. (Wm.) m. Jane BOYD||AL m. recs.|
|1850||TX||1850 tax / census||1850 census / tax|
|1855||AL||g-dau Jane (HGW) m. Thadeus HENDERSON||AL m. recs.|
|1861||TX||Jeremiah's death||newspaper obit|
|1866||AL||g-son Thos. N. (Wm.) m. M. PUGH||AL m. recs.|
Little more is known about our ancestor's origin than this. If you like a good mystery, see if you can find the ancestors of Jeremiah W. "Jerry" Cloud.
What we know about Jeremiah W. "Jerry" Cloud:
Data on Clouds and related families in SC / GA / AL circa 1750-1816
"Related Familes" (1750-1850)
COBB / McDADE
Connections: (surnames COOK, FAISON, JENKINS, SAUNDERS, WEAVER, WHITTINGTON, WOOLEY)
Stella M. Wells <stw9-at-juno.com> wrote Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:46:07 -0600; Subject: Cloud Connections
Hi Tom, Recently I had a look-see at the list of family surnames related to Clouds on your web site. There are some missing names that I KNOW about that are connected... Hildebrandt [spelled various ways], Stillwell [and Stilwell] and Van Horn - Also Lowman, and Burns. All connected to North Carolina, GA and /or PA Clouds. I've seen the data on many of them on the internet... just can't recall the URL's on them. Some were on the World Tree, tho. And some in the SS death index as well as in the censuses.
Just thought they might help some of the research that is on-going. Stella
He is listed on the 1830, Montgomery AL, census as between 40 and 49 years. The ages he gave on the 1850 and 1860 censuses from Austin County, TX indicate he was born in 1786 though the year of 1784 is specified in his obituary. Moved from GA to Alabama about 1816 and is listed on the 1830 Montgomery County Alabama census.
1830, Montgomery County, census lists "males in house:" under 5 = 1 (William at 4?), over 10 and under 15 = 1 (A.J. at 10//11 ?), over 15 and under 20 = 2 (J.C. at 15/16 and James M. at 18/19 ?), over 40 and under 50 (Jeremiah at 46); females in house: under 5 = 1 (Elizabeth or Elcena ?), over 30 and under 39 = 1 (wife Elizabeth at 39 ?). Assumption that Mary is already married and gone, leaving the other two girls at home. H.G.W. is also already married and gone. There is some question about Francis and William. The child must be William, but this leaves Francis born after the 1830 census date -- not 1829? On 1870 census, Elizabeth is listed as being 80 so it's conceivable she was 39 at this census.
|Excerpts from the book "The Barber Family", sent by BettySue White <bettysue-at-erols.com>
(Letters circa 1782 from GA)
From the Georgia GenWeb Project:
Beginning in 1776, Land was offered via Headright & Bounty Land Grantsalong the coast and the Savannah River in the Eastern portion of Georgia. Between 1805 & 1832, as more land was needed to the West, additional counties were created with the Six
Cherokee Land Lotteries. Each new county was divided into Militia Districts and census records are enumerated in this format.
Read the Westward Migration Log Book of Charles Moore detailing his trip from Fairfield South Carolina to Texas.
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 09:13:27 -0500
I sure will keep my eyes peeled. This has given me something else to look for to try to fit Ransom Cloud into. I have a transcribed copy of an application for Sarah Dean Cloud (she was the widow of Silas Dean) married John Cloud who died in Decatur Co. abt. 1843. In it she states John Cloud, formerly of Twiggs Co. There also is a clause that states he is the brother of Ruben Cloud. This would be the Ruben who was married to Lotty Giddeons, since the application was made in 1850's, because the other Ruben died abt. 1832. The reason I'm sure it was the younger Ruben, was because in another paper something sort of like an affadavit, there is a statement to the effect of John's brother Ruben has been treating this poor widow badly. So therefore, I feel sure there is a close connection between the Decatur Clouds and your Jeremiah.
I have already began to take a look at Wilkes and surrounding counties, so I can decide where to begin my search in that area. Getting ready to go to the library. (:-)
This is what I have so far.
I haven't found anything that says Wilkinson was ever a part of Wilkes. So I think the best bet would be to begin with Wilkinson.
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 99 20:40:43 -0600
Secondly, the ccs above were very thought provoking. In Everton's HANDY BOOK FOR GENEALOGISTS it was written that the old 96th District in SC was divided into 5 counties in 1795 among them were Edgefield and Spartanburg. Also, earlier : 1729-Carolina was divided into both North and South Carolina and in 1732 part of SC became a part of Georgia. These dates may important in learning what Clouds lived where and when.
Carol wrote: "In the history of the Sweetwater Baptist Church Sesquicentenial March 1832-March 1982" the list of charter members included--John Cloud, Margaret Cloud, Jeremiah Cloud, Noah Cloud, Carrol Cloud,Unity Cloud and Caroline Cloud. If I may hazard a guess, I would bet that Margaret and John were the parents of some, if not all, of the rest."
After about 2 days more or less of research I found Carol to be right! The only child I could not find, if she is their child is Caroline Cloud, but there was another son born, not mentioned, Samuel B. Cloud, b 2 April 1820.(Joe and Laura Schmidt, e-mail, 12 March 1999)
What intrigued me was the name "Jeremiah." John is mentioned in his father's will,( Noah the RS, thanks to Gail Manac, e-mail 11 March 1999) John and Peggy have 6 children, if you count Caroline Cloud as their child. Among his children are sons Jeremiah T, Noah Bartlett, Carrol, and Samuel B.( the Schmidt's e-mail 12 March 1999)
Gail Manac (e-mail, 10 March 1999) wrote referring to Noah Cloud's will: "If I have this figured out right, Reuben of Decatur Co. Ga, Jeremiah who went to Texas, and John B of Alabama were brothers. Can anyone prove or disprove this?"
Well, I wanted to prove this Jeremiah went to Texas. In the CFN, Vol. VII No.2 p 16 there is an article on SOUTHERN CLAIMS COMMISSION, Washington, D. C. The claims of Jerry T. Cloud, BROTHER OF DR. NOAH BARTLETT CLOUD, therefore son of John, son of Noah the RS, did as he stated " I just acquiesced after adoption of (the) ordinance of secession....I always felt that secession was one of the worst things that could take place and would produce civil war and that I had no confidence in it--that we could never have two governments on this continent." He was a resident of La Place, Macon Co., Ala. and died there in March, 1880. His claim was disallowed.
John B. Cloud of Alabama (according to the CFJ there are John B Clouds found in Ohio, Ky, and Tn.) was the son of Noah mentioned in his will. Also, CFJ historian, Jan Cloud and husband, Preston, wrote in the CFJ IX No 2, p.8 that ". . .Noah B. and father, John, with families and slaves, are reported to have been farming Alabama properties. . . .Brothers Jeremiah T. and Sampson B. followed. In the late 1830s . . . Noah B. secured land in Macon Co. Ala." Since Jerry T. died in Macon Co. Ala. he must have gone along with Noah.
Reuben may have been a brother of Noah the RS. The Edgefield Dist. SC 1810 Census lists a Peter, Noah, John and Reuben Cloud. Linda Oatman (e-mail, 10 February 1999) wrote from her Ancestral File that Ezekial Cloud the RS had 8 brothers--Jeremiah Jr., Elijah, Peter, Joel, Reuben, Aaron, Noah the RS and believe there is another brother, John who along with Peter and Noah sign an affidavit of character for Ezekiel (GA. Dept. of Archives and History) There is AN AFFIDAVIT CONCERNING A CLAIM TO FEDERAL OVERNMENT
What I believe I found was that "our Jeremiah" was not a descendant of Noah the RS from Edgefield, SC., but possibly one of the other brothers, or what about Martin Cloud who was in the vicinity? Anyone have anything to add or disagree with in these statements? I welcome any commentary.
From: "Joe & Laura Schmidt" <schmidtm-at-3-cities.com>
Jeremiah's sister Mary was married to a Swearingen and had son Henry. This is Noah's grandson
>At 12:17 AM 3/10/99, Gail Manac <manac-at-planttel.net> wrote:
From: "Kathy B. King" <king-at-seark.net>
Let's not forget the "Louisiana Connection". Several Cloud families -- and the families they married into -- migrated to Louisiana, and many later went to Texas.
Frances Youngblood and Floelle Youngblood Bonner, in 1962, wrote: "Mary McDade ... married, 1/8/1828 ... H.G.W. Cloud, son of Jeremiah and Elizabeth Cloud, FORMERLY OF SOUTH CAROLINA. (Mar. Bk C, p. 311, Montgy, Ala.)" ..... (CAPS mine)
On October 21, 1998, Geraldine Talley wrote:
Lura Black wrote 3-11-99 In 1830 there were Cobb's in Abbeville and McDade's in Spartanburg
If Jeremiah lived in SC as stated, it would have probably been between 1812 and 1836. But, we know he was in Alabama in 1816 and is on the 1830 census there. So, he would have had to be in SC prior to 1816 ?
Since we're looking for someone "who has no parents or siblings" ..... birth records would be good, but a will probate that lists his name and some or all of his children -- or grandchildren -- would be more conclusive. Also, as one pointed out, church records could yield the valuable clue. We know that Jeremiah had money when he came to Texas -- but he was 53 at that time, so he had time to accumulate some wealth (i.e. maybe it wasn't all inherited).
His obituary implies he married ca 1800-1801, with his first child, William, born the same year. His first children were born in GA -- up through 1812 or so -- with the remainder, starting in 1820, born in AL (Montgomery Cty). So, if the clue that he was "from South Carolina" is true, it must have been for only a short while -- 1812 to 1815 or so (his obituary says he went to AL in 1816).
He moved to the Republic of Texas prior to October of 1837, and received a 2nd class Headright grand from the Republic and he was in Austin Colony by 1838. In a newspaper interview, his granddaughter, Mary Rogers, at 95 years of age, said that he brought thirty slaves with him and was awarded land for each child and each slave he brought.
1836 -1837 REPUBLIC OF TEXAS, 2ND CLASS CERTIFICATES
original grantee; JEREMIAH CLOUD.
Those who arrived in Texas after March 4, 1836, but before Oct. 1, 1837 were granted second-class certificates, which is what Jeremiah received.
The following were on the 1840 tax rolls of Austin County:
1850 Austin County Texas census (pg. 89)
Listed in the 1850 Austin County, Texas Census, p. 89, as Jeremiah, b. Georgia, aged 64 (Lura says it looks like 68) with real estate valued at $2000.
In the 1860 census of Austin County, Travis Pct, p. 226 of June 24, he's listed as Jerry Cloud, aged 74, b. GA, real estate valued at $20,000, personal value $11,410. Francis Marion (age 29) is living with his parents. Two grandchildren living with them (Elizabeth Gates, 12, and Nancy Gates, 10, both b. TX), though it is not known why -- perhaps their parents had died. F.M.'s age seems to indicate he was born after the 1830 census.
The probate records entered on 10-26-1861 in Austin County refer to him as "J.W. Cloud" and reflect a large estate. Among the items listed are 600+ acres of land in Austin County, 100 acres of land in Washington County, 960 acres of land in Bosque County, 320 acres of land in Bexar County, 28 horses, 47 head of cattle, 7 slaves, and farming equipment and crops. His youngest son, F.M. (Francis Marion) Cloud, and his widow were named executor and executrix of his estate (Elizabeth thought H.G.W. should not administer it due to his total blindness and his distance from her -- "he lived on the opposite side of the Brazos River". There were several lawsuits filed against F.M. Cloud by other members of the family, the litigation lasting about twenty years. (There is an "Elizina" mentioned in the probate records of Jeremiah -- suspect this is Elcena.)
The following from the probate papers on his estate:
Taxes on Bosque Co, February 15, 1864
640 acres granted to Jerry Cloud Bosque Co.