Elizabeth Cloud, Jeremiah's wife -- clues -- who was she?

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Jeremiah's Probate
(transcribed by Ellen Marie (Williams) Crawford)
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Vol. R, pp 61-84

1861-1862

Vol. O, pp 444-454

1866-1867

Vol. R, pp 6, 60

Estates of J.W. McDade and Jeremiah Cloud; DEC 1868

Probate22

1871-1872

Vol. U, pp 123-126

1876-1881

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Where is Jeremiah Buried ?(and other tidbits)

 Are there two generations of William J. CLOUDs descended from Jeremiah?
Proofs      Supporting Land Transactions      Loose Ends
 

 Little more is known about our ancestor's origin than this.  If you like a good mystery, see if you can find the ancestors of Jeremiah W. "Jerry" Cloud.

 What we know about Jeremiah W. "Jerry" Cloud:

• He was born in what is now Twiggs County, GA (or Wilkes or Wilkinson County??), Twiggs county not yet being formed.  (Beth L. Austin <blaustin-at-worldnet.att.net> wrote March 30, 1999 that Wilkes County GA was called St. Paul Parish before it was made a county.)
• His birth date is not certain.  The obituary above says he died March 14, 1861 and was 77 years old, implying a birth date between March 14, 1783 and March 13, 1784.
• He might have lived in South Carolina prior to his son, H.G.W.'s, marriage to Mary McDade in 1828. No evidence other than a spurious reference in the Youngblood-Armstrong book.
• He moved to Alabama circa 1816.
• He moved to Texas prior to October 1837, settling in Austin County there.
• He was a farmer.

Data on Clouds and related families in SC / GA / AL circa 1750-1816

"Related Familes" (1750-1850)
(these people are related by marriage)

Early Georgia Clouds

Early Families of Decatur County Georgia

Wilkes County Deed Books A-VV 1784-1806

The First Twiggs County CLOUDS ??

Martin Cloud's Will, 1793 SC

James Cloud's Will, Chester District, SC -- 1819

Ruben Cloud's Will, Decatur Cty, GA -- 1832

Noah Cloud's Will, Edgefield, SC -- 1834

Clouds who served in the war of 1812

Clouds of Montgomery County Alabama

Alabama Cloud Marriages

COBB / McDADE Connections: (surnames COOK, FAISON, JENKINS, SAUNDERS, WEAVER, WHITTINGTON, WOOLEY)
Judgement in Alabama Supreme Court -- Bank of Alabama vs. McDade, Lucas & Faison

Stella M. Wells <stw9-at-juno.com> wrote Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:46:07 -0600; Subject: Cloud Connections

Hi Tom, Recently I had a look-see at the list of family surnames related to Clouds on your web site.  There are some missing names that I KNOW about that are connected... Hildebrandt [spelled various ways], Stillwell [and Stilwell] and Van Horn - Also Lowman, and Burns.  All connected to North Carolina, GA and /or PA Clouds.  I've seen the data on many of them on the internet... just can't recall the URL's on them.  Some were on the World Tree, tho.  And some in the SS death index as well as in the censuses.

Just thought they might help some of the research that is on-going.   Stella

Land Patents -- Alabama & Louisiana

 He is listed on the 1830, Montgomery AL, census as between 40 and 49 years.  The ages he gave on the 1850 and 1860 censuses from Austin County, TX indicate he was born in 1786 though the year of 1784 is specified in his obituary. Moved from GA to Alabama about 1816 and is listed on the 1830 Montgomery County Alabama census.
    Certificates No. 11336 and No. 11337, both dated November 14th 1833, and both for 80.1 acres in Montgomery county to Jeremiah Cloud of Montgomery County Alabama.  Also, Certificate No. 1665, dated April 5th 1837 for forty acres.  Are these our Jeremiah?

    1830, Montgomery County, census lists "males in house:" under 5 = 1 (William at 4?), over 10 and under 15 = 1 (A.J. at 10//11 ?), over 15 and under 20 = 2 (J.C. at 15/16 and James M. at 18/19 ?), over 40 and under 50 (Jeremiah at 46); females in house: under 5 = 1 (Elizabeth or Elcena ?), over 30 and under 39 = 1 (wife Elizabeth at 39 ?).  Assumption that Mary is already married and gone, leaving the other two girls at home.  H.G.W. is also already married and gone.  There is some question about Francis and William.  The child must be William, but this leaves Francis born after the 1830 census date -- not 1829?  On 1870 census, Elizabeth is listed as being 80 so it's conceivable she was 39 at this census.

Georgia
(circa 1784-circa 1812)

From the Georgia GenWeb Project:

      Beginning in 1776, Land was offered via  Headright & Bounty Land Grantsalong the coast and the Savannah River in the Eastern portion of Georgia.  Between 1805 & 1832, as more land was needed to the West, additional counties were created with the Six Cherokee Land Lotteries.  Each new county was divided into Militia Districts and census records are enumerated in this format.
     In 1811, there was a Georgia boundary dispute over lands in present- day Transylvania County, near Brevard, NC known as the Walton War.   Georgia had actually established this area as Walton County in 1803 and elected its officials.  Georgia lost this war, so Walton Co. was no longer a part of Georgia.  If you can't find your ancestors in North Georgia on a 1810 Census, they may have fallen into this 'black hole' of Georgia's history that's actually North Carolina.  In 1818, a county was formed in the center of Georgia and it was named Walton Co. but don't confuse the two in your research.

Read the Westward Migration Log Book of Charles Moore detailing his trip from Fairfield South Carolina to Texas.

Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 09:13:27 -0500
From: manac <manac-at-planttel.net>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Gail Manac, the Schmidt's and Carol H. Bryan's e-mail]
To: webmaster@mykindred.com

I sure will keep my eyes peeled. This has given me something else to look for to try to fit Ransom Cloud into. I have a transcribed copy of an application for Sarah Dean Cloud (she was the widow of Silas Dean) married John Cloud who died in Decatur Co. abt. 1843. In it she states John Cloud, formerly of Twiggs Co.  There also is a clause that states he is the brother of Ruben Cloud. This would be the Ruben who was married to Lotty Giddeons, since the application was made in 1850's, because the other Ruben died abt. 1832. The reason I'm sure it was the younger Ruben, was because in another paper something sort of like an affadavit, there is a statement to the effect of John's brother Ruben has been treating this poor widow badly.  So therefore, I feel sure there is a close connection between the Decatur Clouds and your Jeremiah.

I have already began to take a look at Wilkes and surrounding counties, so I can decide where to begin my search in that area. Getting ready to go to the library. (:-)

This is what I have so far.
Wilkes County was an original territory-----one of the original 11 counties of Ga.---1777.
Wilkinson was created 1803 from the Creek cession.  Twiggs was created 1809 from Wilkinson.

I haven't found anything that says Wilkinson was ever a part of Wilkes.  So I think the best bet would be to begin with Wilkinson.
Gail

Date: Wed, 31 Mar 99 20:40:43 -0600
From: GERALDINE <GERALDINE-at-TALLEYCOMP.COM>
To: Tom Cloud <webmaster@mykindred.com>
Subject: RE: Gail Manac, the Schmidt's and Carol H. Bryan's e-mail

Secondly, the ccs above were very thought provoking.  In Everton's HANDY BOOK FOR GENEALOGISTS it was written that the old 96th District in SC was divided into 5 counties in 1795 among them were Edgefield and Spartanburg.  Also, earlier : 1729-Carolina was divided into both North and South Carolina and in 1732 part of SC became a part of Georgia.  These dates may important in learning what Clouds lived where and when.

Carol wrote: "In the history of the Sweetwater Baptist Church Sesquicentenial March 1832-March 1982" the list of charter members included--John Cloud, Margaret Cloud, Jeremiah Cloud, Noah Cloud, Carrol Cloud,Unity Cloud and Caroline Cloud.  If I may hazard a guess, I would bet that Margaret and John were the parents of some, if not all, of the rest."

After about 2 days more or less of research I found Carol to be right!  The only child I could not find, if she is their child is Caroline Cloud, but there  was another son born, not mentioned, Samuel B. Cloud, b 2 April 1820.(Joe and Laura Schmidt, e-mail, 12 March 1999)

What intrigued me was the name "Jeremiah." John is mentioned in his father's will,( Noah the RS, thanks to Gail Manac, e-mail 11 March 1999)  John and Peggy have  6 children, if you count Caroline Cloud as their child.  Among his children are sons Jeremiah T, Noah Bartlett, Carrol, and Samuel B.( the Schmidt's e-mail 12 March 1999)

Gail Manac (e-mail, 10 March 1999) wrote referring to Noah Cloud's will: "If I have this figured out right, Reuben of Decatur Co. Ga, Jeremiah who went to Texas, and John B of Alabama were brothers.  Can anyone prove or disprove this?"

Well, I wanted to prove this Jeremiah went to Texas.  In the CFN, Vol. VII No.2 p 16 there is an article on SOUTHERN CLAIMS COMMISSION, Washington, D. C.   The claims of Jerry T. Cloud, BROTHER OF DR. NOAH BARTLETT CLOUD, therefore son of John, son of Noah the RS,  did as he stated " I just acquiesced  after adoption of (the) ordinance of secession....I always felt that secession was one of the worst things that could take place and would produce civil war and that I had no confidence in it--that we could never have two governments on this continent."    He was a resident of La Place, Macon Co., Ala. and died there in March, 1880.  His claim was disallowed.

John B. Cloud of Alabama (according to the CFJ there are John B Clouds found in Ohio, Ky, and Tn.) was the son of Noah mentioned in his will.  Also, CFJ historian, Jan Cloud and husband, Preston, wrote in the CFJ  IX  No 2, p.8 that ". . .Noah B. and father, John, with families and slaves, are reported to have been farming Alabama properties. . . .Brothers Jeremiah T. and Sampson B. followed.  In the late 1830s   . . .  Noah B.  secured land in Macon Co. Ala." Since Jerry T. died in Macon Co. Ala. he must have gone along with Noah.

Reuben may have been a brother of Noah the RS.  The Edgefield Dist. SC 1810  Census lists a Peter, Noah, John and Reuben Cloud.  Linda Oatman (e-mail, 10 February 1999)  wrote from her Ancestral File that Ezekial Cloud the RS had 8 brothers--Jeremiah Jr., Elijah, Peter, Joel, Reuben, Aaron, Noah the RS and believe there is another brother, John who along with Peter and Noah sign an affidavit of character for Ezekiel (GA. Dept. of  Archives and History) There is AN AFFIDAVIT CONCERNING A CLAIM TO FEDERAL OVERNMENT
stated and  signed by Ezekial Cloud of Henry County, Ga.  in which he refers to his father, Jeremiah, his brother Noah and two other brothers whom he does not name. It is interesting that in 40,000 EARLY GEORGIA MARRIAGES,by Maddox and Cater, 1977 a Reuben Cloud  is shown to have married Lotty Giddens, 11 October, 1830.

What I believe I found was that "our Jeremiah"  was not a descendant of Noah the RS from Edgefield, SC., but possibly one of the other brothers, or what about Martin Cloud who was in the vicinity?  Anyone have anything to add or disagree with  in these statements?  I welcome any commentary.

From: "Joe & Laura Schmidt" <schmidtm-at-3-cities.com>
Subject: Re: [CLOUD-L] South Carolina
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:40:57 -0800
To: CLOUD-L-at-rootsweb.com

Jeremiah's sister Mary was married to a Swearingen  and had son Henry.  This is Noah's grandson
Laura
-----Original Message-----
From: webmaster@mykindred.com <webmaster@mykindred.com>
To: CLOUD-L@rootsweb.com <CLOUD-L@rootsweb.com>
Date: Thursday, March 11, 1999 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: [CLOUD-L] South Carolina

>At 12:17 AM 3/10/99, Gail Manac <manac-at-planttel.net> wrote:
>
>I have a copy of Noah's (wife was Eunola)... (snip)
> ... John B. is listed in Noah's will as a son. The heirs of Rueben
>and Jeremiah are also mentioned. I don't remember right off, but I think
>it also mentions a grandchild with the last name Swearingen. I think
>that Reubin of Decatur Co. Ga. is this Reuben, and the reason the heirs
>was mentioned in Noah's will was because Reuben had already died.
>
>If I have this figured out right, Reuben of Decatur Co. Ga., Jeremiah
>who went to Texas, and John B. of Alabama were brothers. Can anyone prove
>or disprove this?
>
>.......... and I write back
>
>Gail, reading this more closely ..... very exciting !  I'd love to
>see the will.  The "heirs of Jeremiah" is the kind of clue we're looking
>for!  .... however, I don't have a SWEARINGEN" as an heir or my Jeremiah.

From: "Kathy B. King" <king-at-seark.net>
To: <webmaster@mykindred.com>
Subject: Adam Cloud
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 20:35:22 -0600

Dear Tom,
    Our Clouds, we Dickerson researchers think, came from Wilkes or later Franklin Co. Ga. through Adams Co. Miss. ca 1791, Jefferson Co. Mississippi (in 1820 census) to Amite Co. Mississippi and later settled in Ouachita Pa., Louisiana. Does anyone have a similar line?
    Adam Cloud was in Franklin Co.Ga. in 1791. His heirs were John W. Cloud, Samuel G. and Monoah (Noah maybe) Cloud in deeds of 1816 and 1817.  Later an Adam Cloud and his wife were in Jefferson County Missisippi.
    I'm looking specifically for Elizabeth Cloud (proven in the line) who was married to Robert Dickerson in Amite Co. Miss. in 1810. Their daughter Eleanor is proven in my line. Eleanor's brother John Dickerson married Mary Ann Cloud so there's another Cloud name in the family. We're not sure how or if she is related to Elizabeth Cloud. There is an Elizabeth Cloyd who served as a witness for Daniel Burnett in Clairborne Co., Miss. in a Miss. land claim in 1805.
    I haven't proven that Elizabeth is the daughter of Adam, he just seems the logical choice. In your message this morning you said that Jeremiah Cloud and Elizabeth Unknown had a daughter named Elizabeth. Could she have been the Elizabeth who was married to Robert Dickerson in Mississippi as they were going west to Texas?
    To make things more interesting, I have a John Cloud Rogers married to Elizabeth Allenthorpe both born Georgia in the same generation in another line in the same parish in Louisiana. You mentioned in the same message of this morning, a Mrs. Mary Rogers who had an interview with a Comanche chief. Do you know anything about her Roger's and Clouds? Can someone help make sense of this? I appreciate very much your time and consideration. Thank you.  
  Kathy King

Louisiana
( ?? - ?? )

Let's not forget the "Louisiana Connection".  Several Cloud families -- and the families they married into -- migrated to Louisiana, and many later went to Texas.

South Carolina
(maybe 1812-1815 ?)

Frances Youngblood and Floelle Youngblood Bonner, in 1962, wrote:  "Mary McDade ... married, 1/8/1828  ... H.G.W. Cloud, son of Jeremiah and Elizabeth Cloud, FORMERLY OF SOUTH CAROLINA. (Mar. Bk C, p. 311, Montgy, Ala.)"  ..... (CAPS mine)
    (YOUNGBLOOD-ARMSTRONG AND ALLIED FAMILIES; by Frances Youngblood and Floelle Youngblood Bonner; pub. Frank R. Parkhurst and Son, Pensacola, Florida, 1962; p. 301, next-to-last paragraph.)

On October 21, 1998, Geraldine Talley wrote:
    "I discovered a book, "YOUNGBLOOD-ARMSTRONG AND ALLIED FAMILIES", by Frances Youngblood and Floelle Youngblood Bonner (her sister) ...  The authors state several times the names of Jeremiah and Elizabeth Cloud as being FORMERLY OF SOUTH CAROLINA.  I learned that many living in Georgia at the beginning of the 1812 War fled to other states.  Could it be we have been looking in the wrong place for "our" Texas Jeremiah?   How about Spartanburg Co.-- that's where the McDades came from and they appear to have been close friends."

Lura Black wrote 3-11-99  In 1830 there were Cobb's in Abbeville and McDade's in Spartanburg

    If Jeremiah lived in SC as stated, it would have probably been between 1812 and 1836.  But, we know he was in Alabama in 1816 and is on the 1830 census there.  So, he would have had to be in SC prior to 1816 ?

Speculation:

• Jeremiah's father may have fought in the Revolutionary War, in which case he would have been awarded land -- from 230 acres for a private to 1,955 acres for a Brigadier General.
• Jeremiah b. ca 1784 Wilkes GA, married Elizabeth ca 1801, moved to SC ca 1812, moved to AL ca 1816 and then to TX 1837.

Since we're looking for someone "who has no parents or siblings"  ..... birth records would be good, but a will probate that lists his name and some or all of his children -- or grandchildren -- would be more conclusive.  Also, as one pointed out, church records could yield the valuable clue.  We know that Jeremiah had money when he came to Texas -- but he was 53 at that time, so he had time to accumulate some wealth (i.e. maybe it wasn't all inherited).

His obituary implies he married ca 1800-1801, with his first child, William, born the same year.  His first children were born in GA -- up through 1812 or so -- with the remainder, starting in 1820, born in AL (Montgomery Cty).  So, if the clue that he was "from South Carolina" is true, it must have been for only a short while -- 1812 to 1815 or so (his obituary says he went to AL in 1816).

Texas
(1837-1861)

     He moved to the Republic of Texas prior to October of 1837, and received a 2nd class Headright grand from the Republic and he was in Austin Colony by 1838.  In a newspaper interview, his granddaughter, Mary Rogers, at 95 years of age, said that he brought thirty slaves with him and was awarded land for each child and each slave he brought.
    He acquired 155 acres of land in Austin County 4-26-1838 (deed #95) and 19 acres of land in Austin County 4-2-1838 (deed #117) from James Stephenson in the James Stephenson Survey.  He received one section (640 acres) of "Headright" land from the Republic of Texas in Bosque County, Texas.  This was a third class grant for married men who arrived in the Republic after 10-1-1837.

1836 -1837 REPUBLIC OF TEXAS,   2ND CLASS CERTIFICATES

original grantee; JEREMIAH CLOUD.
located in; HAMILTON.
certificate number; 37.
quality; 640 ACRES
land district; MILAM
file number; 313

    Those who arrived in Texas after March 4, 1836, but before Oct. 1, 1837 were granted second-class certificates, which is what Jeremiah received.

The following were on the 1840 tax rolls of Austin County:
   Cloud, Clark
   Cloud, Jackson
   Cloud, James M.
   Cloud, Jeremiah

1850 Austin County Texas census (pg. 89)
Line#  Dwelling   Family#  Surname Given    Age Sex Occupation
 13       17         17     Cloud Jeremiah   68  M   farmer
 14       17         17     Cloud Elizabeth  66  F 
 15       17         17     Cloud Marion     21  M   laborer

    Listed in the 1850 Austin County, Texas Census, p. 89, as Jeremiah, b. Georgia, aged 64 (Lura says it looks like 68) with real estate valued at $2000.

    In the 1860 census of Austin County, Travis Pct, p. 226 of June 24, he's listed as Jerry Cloud, aged 74, b. GA, real estate valued at $20,000, personal value $11,410.  Francis Marion (age 29) is living with his parents.  Two grandchildren living with them (Elizabeth Gates, 12, and Nancy Gates, 10, both b. TX), though it is not known why -- perhaps their parents had died.  F.M.'s age seems to indicate he was born after the 1830 census.

     The probate records entered on 10-26-1861 in Austin County refer to him as "J.W. Cloud" and reflect a large estate.  Among the items listed are 600+ acres of land in Austin County, 100 acres of land in Washington County, 960 acres of land in Bosque County, 320 acres of land in Bexar County, 28 horses, 47 head of cattle, 7 slaves, and farming equipment and crops.  His youngest son, F.M. (Francis Marion) Cloud, and his widow were named executor and executrix of his estate (Elizabeth thought H.G.W. should not administer it due to his total blindness and his distance from her -- "he lived on the opposite side of the Brazos River".  There were several lawsuits filed against F.M. Cloud by other members of the family, the litigation lasting about twenty years.  (There is an "Elizina" mentioned in the probate records of Jeremiah -- suspect this is Elcena.)

The following from the probate papers on his estate:

Taxes on Bosque Co, February 15, 1864

640 acres granted to Jerry Cloud Bosque Co.
320 acres granted to James M. Cloud in Taylor Co.
640 acres granted to A. J. Cloud in Bosque Co.
$10 paid for the year of 1863 plus $3.20 of the county War Tax on Bosque Co. lands

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